The way it sounds from reading the internets, the Rays granting the Astros permission to speak with Andrew Friedman about a front office position is something of a professional courtesy. Friedman also offered the same courtesy to the Cubs and the Astros' new rival, the hated Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (you have to start somewhere, right?), and talks went virtually nowhere.
Jon Heyman, for what it's worth, says the Astros' plan all along was to let Friedman turn them down like a cheerleader, and then conduct their search.
So, should you be excited? Absolutely. This shows that the New Regime is invested in finding the best people. It's just probably best to leave it at that.
We didn't come out here to play tiddlywinks, son.
-Hal Smith
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Monday, November 28, 2011
Astros receive permission to interview Andrew Friedman
Holy Hannah! The Astros have received permission to interview Tampa Bay's Andrew Friedman.
Justice:
Astros owner Jim Crane and CEO George Postolos are hoping the lure of returning to fix the team he grew up rooting for would be just such an extraordinary situation.
Gerry Hunsicker apparently will not be interviewed for the position.
The question, for me, is what compensation would be necessary for the Astros to send the Rays' way if the Astros make the move. Hey, after paying Ed Wade for the next two years, maybe Jim Crane is in a compensating mood.
Justice:
Astros owner Jim Crane and CEO George Postolos are hoping the lure of returning to fix the team he grew up rooting for would be just such an extraordinary situation.
Gerry Hunsicker apparently will not be interviewed for the position.
The question, for me, is what compensation would be necessary for the Astros to send the Rays' way if the Astros make the move. Hey, after paying Ed Wade for the next two years, maybe Jim Crane is in a compensating mood.
Brad Mills has yet to hear from new regime
Zachary Levine tweets:
For whatever it is or isn't worth, Brad Mills said he's had no discussions with Astros new ownership about his future.
This form of communication didn't work out so well for Tal Smith.
For whatever it is or isn't worth, Brad Mills said he's had no discussions with Astros new ownership about his future.
This form of communication didn't work out so well for Tal Smith.
Chris Johnson's dad got a job
With a captip to Hardball Talk, Chris Johnson's dad - Ron - who was fired by the Red Sox last month, will be the manager of the Norfolk Tides, Triple-A affiliate of the Orioles.
Thoughts from the Crawfish Boxes
Here are some good thoughts from the Crawfish Boxes on the events of the last 12 hours.
Your money quote:
I know Crane got the $70 million for negotiating in the months between the July vote and the November confirmation. He probably was able to then use some of that savings to justify eating two years of Wade's contract. But, it still stinks. Selig ramrodded this whole AL move down the Houston franchise's throat and it cost him more than just money. It cost him time.
Your money quote:
I know Crane got the $70 million for negotiating in the months between the July vote and the November confirmation. He probably was able to then use some of that savings to justify eating two years of Wade's contract. But, it still stinks. Selig ramrodded this whole AL move down the Houston franchise's throat and it cost him more than just money. It cost him time.
Timeline sort of, maybe, in place
Jon Heyman says that the GM will be in place before they address Mills' status.
This makes sense, might as well let your GM have a say in who the manager is or isn't.
This makes sense, might as well let your GM have a say in who the manager is or isn't.
Baseball Time in Arlington's reaction
Now that we have to start thinking about AL West reactions to the Astros news, if you're not already, you should be acquainted with Baseball Time in Arlington, because they're an excellent Rangers-oriented (obviously) blog. They have some thoughts on what today's news means for the Rangers, with emphasis on the possibility of Levine/Preller, and even Mike Maddux as next manager (should Mills get fired).
Schafer playing for Team Drug Intervention
Apparently it's Overwhelming Amounts of News Day, as Zach Levine is reporting that Jordan Schafer:
...has opted for Florida’s pretrial intervention program in a case which saw him charged with two drug-related crimes, his lawyer said this morning.
Should he manage to complete the program, stay off the herb, or Cheesecake Factories, there will be no additional penalty to his drug-related charges.
...has opted for Florida’s pretrial intervention program in a case which saw him charged with two drug-related crimes, his lawyer said this morning.
Should he manage to complete the program, stay off the herb, or Cheesecake Factories, there will be no additional penalty to his drug-related charges.
The "Real Ed Wade" (from 2005)
Here's the text of a PhillyBurbs story from 2005 on the real Ed Wade, and what a douche he was.
An excerpt:
Late this summer, Wade repeatedly chewed out closer Billy Wagner - sometimes in person, sometimes over the phone - for comments he read in the newspaper and during contract negotiations. Wagner took this verbal abuse for a while, then got fed up and began hanging up on Wade.
Years earlier, Wade called a team meeting to scream at players. One pitcher said everyone buried their heads in their arms so Wade couldn't see them laughing at him.
Two springs ago, Wade was furious at Phillies beat writers, called a morning meeting and cursed for about 20 minutes. I still have the tape from that one. You should hear it. It's something else, right out of the Lee Elia school of bleeps. He got personal. Ask Philadelphia Daily News baseball writer Marcus Hayes, who remained calm as his character was assassinated and he was being called an officious [bleep]."
On a Sunday in July 2004, the day Eric Milton flirted with a no-hitter, Wade lost it in front of the Phillies dugout when Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Sam Carchidi asked him if "there were any trade developments." Carchidi, who does not cover the team regularly, was told with anger: "If you were here everyday, you would know." Wade ended the shouting match by saying, "Kiss my [bleeping bleep], Sam."
It's incendiary, and as Randy Miller writes:
This isn't about kicking a man when he's down. It's about shedding some truth about the Wade era.
An excerpt:
Late this summer, Wade repeatedly chewed out closer Billy Wagner - sometimes in person, sometimes over the phone - for comments he read in the newspaper and during contract negotiations. Wagner took this verbal abuse for a while, then got fed up and began hanging up on Wade.
Years earlier, Wade called a team meeting to scream at players. One pitcher said everyone buried their heads in their arms so Wade couldn't see them laughing at him.
Two springs ago, Wade was furious at Phillies beat writers, called a morning meeting and cursed for about 20 minutes. I still have the tape from that one. You should hear it. It's something else, right out of the Lee Elia school of bleeps. He got personal. Ask Philadelphia Daily News baseball writer Marcus Hayes, who remained calm as his character was assassinated and he was being called an officious [bleep]."
On a Sunday in July 2004, the day Eric Milton flirted with a no-hitter, Wade lost it in front of the Phillies dugout when Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Sam Carchidi asked him if "there were any trade developments." Carchidi, who does not cover the team regularly, was told with anger: "If you were here everyday, you would know." Wade ended the shouting match by saying, "Kiss my [bleeping bleep], Sam."
It's incendiary, and as Randy Miller writes:
This isn't about kicking a man when he's down. It's about shedding some truth about the Wade era.
Derek Dietrich didn't think he could play baseball right away with the Astros organization, apparently
Another side note, while we comb the intertubes and Twinker for more Ed Wade/Tal Smith details. Here's an interview with 2007 3rd Round pick - and subsequently unsigned - Derek Dietrich.
So what happened with that Astros decision? Dietrich, now a prospect with Tampa Bay, as if that's fair:
“I knew I wanted to go somewhere where I could play baseball year round and in nice weather. But more than anything, I wanted a place where I could go and play right away, because the only way you can get better in this game is to play. (Georgia Tech Head) Coach (Danny) Hall assured me that he was going to give me an opportunity to play right away, and the facilities are unbelievable at Georgia Tech. It’s one of the best places to play in the country with great crowds, great fans.”
Captip to Top Prospect Alert for the link.
So what happened with that Astros decision? Dietrich, now a prospect with Tampa Bay, as if that's fair:
“I knew I wanted to go somewhere where I could play baseball year round and in nice weather. But more than anything, I wanted a place where I could go and play right away, because the only way you can get better in this game is to play. (Georgia Tech Head) Coach (Danny) Hall assured me that he was going to give me an opportunity to play right away, and the facilities are unbelievable at Georgia Tech. It’s one of the best places to play in the country with great crowds, great fans.”
Captip to Top Prospect Alert for the link.
Top 2000 (!) Prospects
The blog MILB Prospects put together an ambitious ranking of the top 2000 prospects in all of baseball based solely on stats, then assigned each player a grade representing that prospects likelihood to improve using that player's age and level.
Again, this is solely data driven, no consideration given for being "toolsy", having a "good makeup", or being a "baseball guy".
There's a ton of stuff, obviously, but the highlights would include Villar at #43, Springer at #90, and Oberholtzer at #94. I'm not sure how Springer got ranked after all of 8 games, but whatever.
Wladimir Sutil out
In a secondary, or even tertiary, tranzaction note, we find from Farmstros that Wladimir Sutil has signed a minor-league deal with the Diamondbacks.
This clears out the Triple-A competition for Jonathan Villar to move up to the SS position for the RedHawks since Anderson Hernandez, who played the most games at SS for OKC in 2011 (once you clear out Manzella), has a shot at making the Opening Day roster for the Astros.
This clears out the Triple-A competition for Jonathan Villar to move up to the SS position for the RedHawks since Anderson Hernandez, who played the most games at SS for OKC in 2011 (once you clear out Manzella), has a shot at making the Opening Day roster for the Astros.
The hell is an Evergreen Provision?
Zach Levine just tweeted:
Ed Wade said that because of an evergreen provision, his deal was guaranteed through 2013, not 2012.
UPDATE: Zach Levine has the story:
Former Astros general manager Ed Wade had a provision in his contract that guaranteed his 2013 salary in addition to his 2012 figure, he said Monday morning a day after his firing was announced by the Astros. In conjunction with the evergreen provision that triggered the renewal of his deal for what would have been a sixth season in 2013, his dismissal leaves the Astros on the hook for two years of his salary in addition to that of their new general manager.
So...what the hell is an evergreen provision? The "evergreen" term indicates, according to the HOA Law Blog, that the contract could - in theory - last forever.
When the board receives a proposed contract with an evergreen provision that automatically renews the contract (they're called evergreen provisions because the contract could virtually last forever), the board has options.
First, the board could just say no. Most vendors will relent and agree to a more reasonable termination provision. If the board is putting a contract up for bid, tell the vendors upfront that you are not going to agree to an evergreen termination provision nor an extended term of contract, and that the board wants the ability to terminate the contract for cause.
Investopedia says (though obviously not in the context of baseball):
...Rather than go through the process of approving allotments every year, a company can adopt what is known as an evergreen option provision, which provides for an automatic allotment of equity compensation every year.
These types of provisions are highly discouraged:
Rather than agreeing to an evergreen provision, suggest that both parties mutually agree upon additional one-year increments in writing, at the end of each term. If the other party insists on an evergreen term, negotiate a reasonably conscribed no cause termination clause. This will significantly reduce the risk associated with inadvertently rolling into an additional year, as you can simply exercise the “out” clause and terminate the agreement.
Hooray for Drayton! The Astros are giving Ed Wade a two-year paid vacation!
Ed Wade said that because of an evergreen provision, his deal was guaranteed through 2013, not 2012.
UPDATE: Zach Levine has the story:
Former Astros general manager Ed Wade had a provision in his contract that guaranteed his 2013 salary in addition to his 2012 figure, he said Monday morning a day after his firing was announced by the Astros. In conjunction with the evergreen provision that triggered the renewal of his deal for what would have been a sixth season in 2013, his dismissal leaves the Astros on the hook for two years of his salary in addition to that of their new general manager.
So...what the hell is an evergreen provision? The "evergreen" term indicates, according to the HOA Law Blog, that the contract could - in theory - last forever.
When the board receives a proposed contract with an evergreen provision that automatically renews the contract (they're called evergreen provisions because the contract could virtually last forever), the board has options.
First, the board could just say no. Most vendors will relent and agree to a more reasonable termination provision. If the board is putting a contract up for bid, tell the vendors upfront that you are not going to agree to an evergreen termination provision nor an extended term of contract, and that the board wants the ability to terminate the contract for cause.
Investopedia says (though obviously not in the context of baseball):
...Rather than go through the process of approving allotments every year, a company can adopt what is known as an evergreen option provision, which provides for an automatic allotment of equity compensation every year.
These types of provisions are highly discouraged:
Rather than agreeing to an evergreen provision, suggest that both parties mutually agree upon additional one-year increments in writing, at the end of each term. If the other party insists on an evergreen term, negotiate a reasonably conscribed no cause termination clause. This will significantly reduce the risk associated with inadvertently rolling into an additional year, as you can simply exercise the “out” clause and terminate the agreement.
Hooray for Drayton! The Astros are giving Ed Wade a two-year paid vacation!
Wade knew on Wednesday
Happy Thanksgiving, huh? Ed Wade was told last Wednesday that he would not be returning in 2012.
Wade:
“There was really no discussion beyond that. I did have an opportunity to talk about some of our staff and the esteem I hold them and [manager Brad Mills]. It was a very brief conversation. We’ll move forward from here.”
Wade:
“There was really no discussion beyond that. I did have an opportunity to talk about some of our staff and the esteem I hold them and [manager Brad Mills]. It was a very brief conversation. We’ll move forward from here.”
Justice: Brad Mills is safe
In Richard Justice's retrospective on Wade's career, we get this little nugget (that somewhat bucks conventional wisdom):
Jim Crane and George Postolos had to decide, not whether Ed Wade had done a bad job, but whether they could hire someone better. They decided they could and that’s why it appears Wade will be fired Monday. (Manager Brad Mills is safe.)
That's quite a parenthetical note, but Justice goes on...
Wade and Tal Smith may be the most visible departures, but if they’re the only changes, Crane and Postolos will be making a huge mistake.
For whom is that intended? Mills? Heck? Gottfried? Given the speed with which Wade and Smith were dismissed, I doubt that's the end of the axe-wielding.
Jim Crane and George Postolos had to decide, not whether Ed Wade had done a bad job, but whether they could hire someone better. They decided they could and that’s why it appears Wade will be fired Monday. (Manager Brad Mills is safe.)
That's quite a parenthetical note, but Justice goes on...
Wade and Tal Smith may be the most visible departures, but if they’re the only changes, Crane and Postolos will be making a huge mistake.
For whom is that intended? Mills? Heck? Gottfried? Given the speed with which Wade and Smith were dismissed, I doubt that's the end of the axe-wielding.
Olney: Wade isn't entirely to blame
Buster Olney's (Insider-only) column this morning addresses how Houston gets back to relevance.
He links back to Houston media quite a bit, but does warn this:
There are a lot of industry-wide questions about the direction of the organization, about what kind of owner Crane will be, and until that becomes clearer, some folks who have alternatives may choose to wait rather than join the Astros.
And on Wade's legacy:
(For many years) Houston was among the small handful of teams that honored the slot recommendations from the Commissioner's office, and in recent years, owner Drayton McLane drastically cut the Astros' budget. Wade wasn't given a lot to work with and has had some dead money to work through, and the sudden shift to austerity is the root cause for the disintegration of the franchise. (Note, Richard Justice says Wade's legacy is complicated).
Let's be clear about something, and remember this carefully, because we Astros fans are a little too close to the situation to be completely objective: these positions (GM and, potentially, manager) are not exactly the most attractive positions in baseball. Why? I don't think it needs to be explained but let's take a look at the challenges the incoming front office will be facing:
1. Depressed, angry fan base.
2. Transition between leagues.
3. Weak major-league roster, comparatively.
4. The fruits of Ed Wade's labor in trades/draft, won't be realized for at least two more years...if at all.
And that's just off the top of my head. Buster Olney talked to a "really smart executive" (yes, that's exactly how Olney described them) who said that the Astros were 4-7 years away from respectability. That's a really long time in my view, but it should tell you how far the franchise has fallen from being the toast of the National League. And even when they were the best team in the NL, the Astros weren't doing anything to keep them in that position. It's like they tried to out-Marlin the Marlins, and failed so, so miserably.
This is Drayton's legacy. Does the fall of the franchise - and the time it will take to rebuild it - outweigh the "glory years?" In my estimation, yes. Would you rather be in a solid band for 15 years, or a one-hit wonder? As of 2012, the Astros' "glory years" were a one-hit wonder.
Through this whole regime change, remember this sad fact: If the Astros are, as the super smart wonder executive says, 4-7 years away, what GM would want to step into that situation? Only two GMs in franchise history - Spec Richardson ('67-'75) and Gerry Hunsicker ('95-'04) - were given 7+ years at the helm.
This is an era in which GMs aren't given a whole lot of time to make their mark. Brian Sabean (1996), Billy Beane (1997), and Brian Cashman (1998) are the only GMs to take their places prior to 2000. What aspiring GM would want to take on a (potential) seven year project?
He links back to Houston media quite a bit, but does warn this:
There are a lot of industry-wide questions about the direction of the organization, about what kind of owner Crane will be, and until that becomes clearer, some folks who have alternatives may choose to wait rather than join the Astros.
And on Wade's legacy:
(For many years) Houston was among the small handful of teams that honored the slot recommendations from the Commissioner's office, and in recent years, owner Drayton McLane drastically cut the Astros' budget. Wade wasn't given a lot to work with and has had some dead money to work through, and the sudden shift to austerity is the root cause for the disintegration of the franchise. (Note, Richard Justice says Wade's legacy is complicated).
Let's be clear about something, and remember this carefully, because we Astros fans are a little too close to the situation to be completely objective: these positions (GM and, potentially, manager) are not exactly the most attractive positions in baseball. Why? I don't think it needs to be explained but let's take a look at the challenges the incoming front office will be facing:
1. Depressed, angry fan base.
2. Transition between leagues.
3. Weak major-league roster, comparatively.
4. The fruits of Ed Wade's labor in trades/draft, won't be realized for at least two more years...if at all.
And that's just off the top of my head. Buster Olney talked to a "really smart executive" (yes, that's exactly how Olney described them) who said that the Astros were 4-7 years away from respectability. That's a really long time in my view, but it should tell you how far the franchise has fallen from being the toast of the National League. And even when they were the best team in the NL, the Astros weren't doing anything to keep them in that position. It's like they tried to out-Marlin the Marlins, and failed so, so miserably.
This is Drayton's legacy. Does the fall of the franchise - and the time it will take to rebuild it - outweigh the "glory years?" In my estimation, yes. Would you rather be in a solid band for 15 years, or a one-hit wonder? As of 2012, the Astros' "glory years" were a one-hit wonder.
Through this whole regime change, remember this sad fact: If the Astros are, as the super smart wonder executive says, 4-7 years away, what GM would want to step into that situation? Only two GMs in franchise history - Spec Richardson ('67-'75) and Gerry Hunsicker ('95-'04) - were given 7+ years at the helm.
This is an era in which GMs aren't given a whole lot of time to make their mark. Brian Sabean (1996), Billy Beane (1997), and Brian Cashman (1998) are the only GMs to take their places prior to 2000. What aspiring GM would want to take on a (potential) seven year project?
Just so you know, it's unlikely Mills will end up in Boston
The Boston Globe's Peter Abraham doesn't see Brad Mills in Boston, should the axe fall on Mills today (or this week, but honestly, if it's going to happen, it's probably going to be today).
Although Mills was widely respected during his five years as Terry Francona's bench coach, hiring somebody so closely aligned to the former manager wouldn't seem to make much sense. The Red Sox didn't even give DeMarlo Hale a courtesy interview.
You also have to wonder whether Mills would be interested in replacing his best friend after what was an ugly ending to his days in Boston.
Although Mills was widely respected during his five years as Terry Francona's bench coach, hiring somebody so closely aligned to the former manager wouldn't seem to make much sense. The Red Sox didn't even give DeMarlo Hale a courtesy interview.
You also have to wonder whether Mills would be interested in replacing his best friend after what was an ugly ending to his days in Boston.
Ed Wade, Tal Smith out
So it happened. Late last (Sunday) night, before the heart-to-heart meetings were scheduled to take place, Jim Crane and CEO George Postolos dismissed Ed Wade and Tal Smith.
In a statement released by the team last night, Postolos wrote:
“With the change in ownership, we would like a fresh start in baseball operations. We have told Ed and Tal that we are making a change. We recognize their dedication to the Houston Astros. We thank each of them for their significant contributions and many years of service to the Astros, and wish them our very best as they pursue new opportunities.”
Wade was under contract through 2012, so he'll get a year's worth of paid vacation. Tal Smith will head off to a farm in Connecticut so he can run freely through a field.
Who are they looking for?
“We are searching for a candidate who has the knowledge, skills and experience to build a winner and a strong commitment to player development in order to sustain success. Our goal is to consistently compete for a championship, and we know the first step towards that goal is to develop one of the top farm systems in baseball. We will hire the best candidate available to achieve our goal.”
Tal Smith isn't happy about it. He told Mark Berman:
"I wrote Jim Crane on June 8th, a four or five page letter asking for a meeting. He responded by e-mail that very day and he said 'I am currently on the road traveling until next week. I'll give you a call next week to set up a time for us to get together. Thanks for your letter.' I have yet to hear from him. After 54 years in the game and 35 years of service to the Astros, I'm disappointed that I never got the chance to really sit down and talk to Jim."
Now, I can certainly understand that. But Crane had some pretty big issues to deal with. Like dealing with constant allegations of racism, war profiteering, and Bud Selig. Could Crane meet with Tal Smith and plan the future when it was up in the air if he would actually own the team?
We'll be addressing that, and a number of other topics related to this news, as the day moves on.
In a statement released by the team last night, Postolos wrote:
“With the change in ownership, we would like a fresh start in baseball operations. We have told Ed and Tal that we are making a change. We recognize their dedication to the Houston Astros. We thank each of them for their significant contributions and many years of service to the Astros, and wish them our very best as they pursue new opportunities.”
Wade was under contract through 2012, so he'll get a year's worth of paid vacation. Tal Smith will head off to a farm in Connecticut so he can run freely through a field.
Who are they looking for?
“We are searching for a candidate who has the knowledge, skills and experience to build a winner and a strong commitment to player development in order to sustain success. Our goal is to consistently compete for a championship, and we know the first step towards that goal is to develop one of the top farm systems in baseball. We will hire the best candidate available to achieve our goal.”
Tal Smith isn't happy about it. He told Mark Berman:
"I wrote Jim Crane on June 8th, a four or five page letter asking for a meeting. He responded by e-mail that very day and he said 'I am currently on the road traveling until next week. I'll give you a call next week to set up a time for us to get together. Thanks for your letter.' I have yet to hear from him. After 54 years in the game and 35 years of service to the Astros, I'm disappointed that I never got the chance to really sit down and talk to Jim."
Now, I can certainly understand that. But Crane had some pretty big issues to deal with. Like dealing with constant allegations of racism, war profiteering, and Bud Selig. Could Crane meet with Tal Smith and plan the future when it was up in the air if he would actually own the team?
We'll be addressing that, and a number of other topics related to this news, as the day moves on.
Sunday, November 27, 2011
This is the kind of story that makes a blogger want to clear his schedule
Smilin' Ken Rosenthal has a story up with some rumors regarding the future of the Astros taking a dramatic turn...AS EARLY AS TOMORROW.
Jim Crane, erroneously listed as "Jim Crain" by Rosenthal/Morosi (seriously? There's only 29 other owners - get the guy's name right), is expected - by sources - to fire Ed Wade, with Tal Smith to retire.
Crain and new team president George Postolos plan one-on-one meetings with all of the team’s top executives starting Monday, sources say.
More to come, of course.
UPDATE: Fox Sports fixed the spelling of Crane's name. Well done, Twitter.
Jim Crane, erroneously listed as "Jim Crain" by Rosenthal/Morosi (seriously? There's only 29 other owners - get the guy's name right), is expected - by sources - to fire Ed Wade, with Tal Smith to retire.
Crain and new team president George Postolos plan one-on-one meetings with all of the team’s top executives starting Monday, sources say.
More to come, of course.
UPDATE: Fox Sports fixed the spelling of Crane's name. Well done, Twitter.
Red Sox have asked about Wandy
Hey, here's a report from the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo:
The Astros are getting more and more inquiries about his availability. The Red Sox are one of the teams that have asked.
Wouldn't it be interesting to face Wandy and the Red Sox in 2013? Meanwhile, Cafardo has another note on our old pal Brad Mills:
Mills, GM Ed Wade, and many scouts and organizational people in Houston are awaiting their fate now that Jim Crane has taken over as owner. It was thought that there would be no changes organizationally until next season, but most staffers are on pins and needles.
I think we can all safely say that "pins and needles" is a fine place to be right about now...
The Astros are getting more and more inquiries about his availability. The Red Sox are one of the teams that have asked.
Wouldn't it be interesting to face Wandy and the Red Sox in 2013? Meanwhile, Cafardo has another note on our old pal Brad Mills:
Mills, GM Ed Wade, and many scouts and organizational people in Houston are awaiting their fate now that Jim Crane has taken over as owner. It was thought that there would be no changes organizationally until next season, but most staffers are on pins and needles.
I think we can all safely say that "pins and needles" is a fine place to be right about now...
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