Thursday, July 31, 2014

Cosart is apparently a Marlin.

More to follow, but the haul should be significant...

Update: Jarred Cosart and Kiké Hernandez to the Marlins for Colin Moran, Jake Marisnick and a competitive balance draft pick.

Not sure how I feel about this.  I seem to remember that Colin Moran received some awful scouting reports shortly after he turned pro, with the word "disinterested" being bandied around a lot.  Marisnick is a 23 year-old CF with a handful of unremarkable at bats in the majors in the last two years.

And Cosart and Hernandez were two of my favourite Astros, at least in terms of competitive fire and potential.  I loved Hernandez's hit tool in the Astros current swing-and-miss lineup, but as a relatively unheralded prospect, this might be a sell-high move.

I am sure the Constable will have more as the information comes in.

15 comments:

Imasalmon said...

I'm hearing Jake Marisnick brought up as the return piece.

Bill Crider said...

Oh, shoot. I hate to see them go, especially Kiké.

Anonymous said...

And Austin Wates to the Marlins as well.

Anonymous said...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/marlins-acquire-jarred-cosart.html

The names are backwards, but we also got some lottery ticket named Francis Martes. I feel like I was stripped of hope as a fan.

Anonymous said...

Another reason why this Team is on the bottom. WoW the owner needs to step in and do something quickly. This GM is taking this team down with him...lol...Poor people of Houston and your minor league Astros team. I have been to the stadium and it's nice but nothing great. I can remember only 9 or 10 years ago the Astros were good. Now people around the country laugh at you guys everyday.

JoeinAlaska said...

I don't get this trade at all. Who is going to play left field? Marisnick? He's batting 100 points lower than Kike. Sanatana and Tucker aren't ready yet, are they? It looks like the best thing in this trade is the competitive balance pick next year.

ntxlfty said...

How does this trade make us better? Perhaps we foresee needing that competitive balance pick when we lose our first two picks next year (after losing the MLBPA lawsuit.)

Imasalmon said...

That is excellent return. Two of their top three prospects, and a competitive balance draft pick in exchange for a backend starter, and a utility bat. Wates and Martes are just swapping lottery tickets.

B1GCountry2007 said...

My first reaction was some disappointment but we had been warned in the past few days that trading a pitcher was not out of the question due to our current surplus. If you looked at what had been said and the managements stance on players you should immediately know that Keuchel and McHugh were out of the picture for trade. That honestly left Cosart and Obey as the targets to look for in a trade. Cosart has been given chances to stick here and at times he looked good but his lack of consistency was a bother to me. I also have a personal belief that Cosart was one of the guys who threw a fit about the handling of Appel and that would not be accepted by this organization.
The loss of Kike hurt more than I thought it would for a guy who was brought up to be a bench player who could play almost all positions. Kike showed what I think all of us loved the most and that was a visible love for the game, that said he may never actually break in as a starter for a team for a full year. In a way I sincerely hope I am wrong as he does deserve every chance he gets.
Austin Wates I am sad to see go, I had been pulling for him to make the majors sometime soon and now I wish him the best of luck with the Marlins, but for a guy turning 26 in September I was loosing faith that the Astros had a plan for him. However batting .300 with 13 doubles and 2 HR in two seasons with OKC it never looked like he would stick anyways.
All this said the return looks good from a first glance and slowly starts to shine when you look deeper at it. Jake Marisnick at doesn't look like much at first but when you do the research and find that Baseball America had him ranked as high as #79 prospect in baseball at one point this year and his glove is apparently very good along with batting .277/.326/.434 with 10 HR 40 RBI and 24 SB in 89 games he starts to shine to you a little bit. Francis Martes at 18 years old in A ball has had a rough go of it but his 9+ K per 9 this year looks strong.
Then there is the heart of this trade in both Colin Moran and the competitive balance draft pick. Colin Moran was a HUGE shock to me from the Marlins. He was ranked as their #3 prospect (MLB.com) and #61 overall by Baseball America and #72 by MLB.com and keep in mind he was a consideration for 1.1 last year by the Astros. Batting .294 with 21 Doubles and 5 HR in 89 games in A ball is rather nice, even with people saying he is not pushing himself being a pro.
So if we look at this in a whole prospective it actually really helps our system. We now own 1.1 and 1.6 from 2013 draft and, after the Aiken issue, own 1.2, 1.something top 5, and comp pick #1 (#32 overall I think, could be wrong with the overall # but it is the first pick given in comp balance round) that is 3 first round draft picks! 3 of them!! My assumption is that the Astros look at the 2015 draft as a strong one and if it is we are in good shape.
I look at this trade as a big organizational win for the Astros, we now have 7 of the top 100 prospects according to MLB.com and possibly more on other rankings. In order for this organization to succeed we have to stockpile the minors with good talent and that is what this trade has brought, more stocking of talent in the minors. Of course prospects are just that, prospects, they are nothing proven yet and some never pan out, but I would rather this team have many top guys so that the ones who don't reach potential don't hurt us as bad. I like this trade, no it doesn't help us today but the Astros are not playing for today they are playing for late 2015 on and this trade works with that mindset.

Anonymous said...

You think the astros got a bad return, go look at what the Rays got for David Price

JoeinAlaska said...

I'm warming to this trade....Marisnick hasn't had many MLB at bats but appears to have some pop, decent OBP, low strike outs and some speed (24 steals!). Colin Moran is now listed as our 5th best prospect. With our stacked system being fifth ain't to shabby.
I was never a huge Cosart fan. He can pitch but I worried about his effect on the clubhouse. I will miss Kike Hernadez! His hustle reminded me a lot of Barnes from last year.

Anonymous said...

A secondary benefit of this trade is that the Astros were facing a 40 man roster crunch. Moran and Martes won't require a spot for a few years. Wates may have been lost in the Rule 5 draft.
Adam Bishea

John Martin said...

I like the deal for all the reasons B1GCountry2007 mentioned. Loosing Kike hurts from a fan perspective just because he was fun to watch but he was never part of the long term plan. Marisnick is a win. Moran is a win (I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the scouting report) and the comp pick is a win.

Dealing Cosart now feels like Luhnow has learned from the Lucas Harrell experience. Cosart wasn't at that point yet, but it's not hard to see him becoming that same type of guy with an extended period of adversity.

Scott Eiland said...

I couldn't disagree more with viewing this trade negatively. Cozart has #3 starter upside to me, and feels like a really good relief pitcher long term. Kike is a fun player but a fourth or fifth outfielder, and the 26 year old going to Miami is a fringy prospect at best. In return we get Moran(!) a competitive balance pick, and an 18 year old pitcher with a live arm. I love the deal for us. The armchair analysts who think we'll lose picks over MLBPA's hissy fit didn't pay attention to Luhnow's statement - MLB APPROVED of what the Astros did. So even if an arbitrator rules that the Astros acted in poor faith (which is not happening) there's no way MLB penalizes picks. Next June is going to be fun, and the team is still getting better.

ntxlfty said...

I hope you're right, Scott, BUT, MLB has to adhere to the CBA, regardless of what they approved. This can go either way. My read is that an arbitrator doesn't have to rule bad faith, he just has to force the Astros to honor the contract to which they agreed. Boom, over slot, boom boom, lose two picks.

I like this trade more after chewing on it for an evening.