Wednesday, July 31, 2013

Report: Orioles Acquire Norris

Ken Rosenthal just reported that the Astros have finalized a deal for Norris. L.J. Hoes appears to be the centerpiece, although there is another piece coming.

Hoes is a 23 year old outfielder hitting .304/.405/.403 in AAA. MLB.com rated him as the 7th best prospect in the Orioles system. Baseball America had him 6th and Sickels 8th. He is a Grossman type player, with a great batting eye but limited power.

UPDATE: The other piece coming the Astros way is Josh Hader. Hader is rated as the Orioles 5th best prospect by MLB.com, so maybe Hoes is the not the centerpiece after all. Hader is a 19 year old lefty, and currently has a 2.65 ERA and a 8.36 K/9. in High A. ]

It appears the Astros are also getting the Orioles 2014 competitive balance round pick. The Orioles have the 2nd competitive balance pick. The competitive balance picks fall between the first and second rounds. This will be pick #33, so essentially a first rounder.

24 comments:

Blazemule said...

Man, what the f***ity f***, Hoes as the centerpiece, that is s***. The other freaking piece better be Bundy.

Anonymous said...

We should have just kept him Jesus Christ. What an underwhelming trade.

Anonymous said...

I think I saw this episode on a Bugs Bunny show.

Rob S said...

So do we have Hoes from different area codes now?

(Not Hank) Aaron said...

Yeah. sorry about. Jumped the gun on Hoes being the centerpiece. He actually isn't at all. This is a very solid return for what amounts to a 3/4 starter. We weren't getting a top 100 guy.

treblesister said...

I agree with Aaron, good return for Norris.

Anonymous said...

I think we made out ok. Along with two decent prospects, we get a comp pick! That'll give us 3 picks inside the top 44 or so! I'm stoked about that!!!

Bobby

John Martin said...

Love getting that competitive balance pick. Looks like we're going to have 1, 32 and 37 in the draft next year.

Matt said...

The 2014 compensation pick shouldnt be overlooked either if the Astros get that.

Lyle said...

Good trades today, I think. Farm system continues to get deeper. That can only be a good thing.

chris said...

If the Astros finish with #1 again, they can use the competitive balance pick to nab someone that falls because of signability. Great trade.

Anonymous said...

I like the trade. Two top ten talents from the O's and basically a late 1st round pick next year. Love it. Although I don't expect the win meter to move a ton next year, I expect we really start to see some of the talent we have been hording the past few years. I hope I live long enough to see the 'stros win a World Series game.

Anonymous said...

I like the trade. Two top ten talents from the O's and basically a late 1st round pick next year. Love it. Although I don't expect the win meter to move a ton next year, I expect we really start to see some of the talent we have been hording the past few years. I hope I live long enough to see the 'stros win a World Series game.

Anonymous said...

Pure and simple salary dump. Luhnow traded Bud for two buckets of spit, and a draft pick. Becky

Lyle said...

Norris drops the payroll, but it's not like Houston needed to dump his salary. They would have been fine keeping. His salary was onerous.

Jay said...

I'm sorry but the #5 and #7 prospects from an organization plus pick #32 in next years draft for a pitcher with an ERA over 6.00 in July, who will never have more trade value as AL hitting is going to eat him up is infinitely better than "spit"

Anonymous said...

I totally LOVE this trade. Yes, I put love in all caps. Bud Norris is a great guy and has a good arm. That is undisputable. But the results do not suggest he is a #1. He was the #1 on the WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL. Hoes isn't a stud and I get why people are down on him, but he will fit nicely in the current outfield/swing mix and Hader is a future #2/#3. We should all just accept that the future is where it's at for this team. And I haven't even mentioned the draft pick, which is where it really is at. Anyone who thought we'd get 4 TOP prospects for a #4/#5 starter/future closer is delusional. Luhnow got 2 high-end prospects and a draft pick for a 30 year old 4th outfielder and mid-rotation starter. Not bad at all..Michael.

Anonymous said...

The people that think this is a bad trade think Bud Norris is a good pitcher. Bud Norris is not a good pitcher. He is a two pitch hard stuff right-hander. If Bud is higher than number 4 in your rotation, you are a bad team.

Anonymous said...

The people who think this is a good trade are being just as dishonest, as they have no idea. Nobody will know for years.

Every trade, people come out of the woodwork as informed talent evaluators and proclaim success or failure. Hell, Luhnow and co., who are knowledgeable in this area, will not know for years how this one works out.

blazemule said...

I have calmed down since my first post, sorry for that. I don't like the Hoe part still but I really like the 2 centerpieces of the trade, Hader and the comp pick. Once I heard those, that helped big time. That is not a bad get, I hope we can flip Hoe for a good OFer at the Winter Meetings. I don't like that he is going to take playing time from Krauss or Grossman. He can take Barnes playing time, since he is a 4/5 OF anyways. I will say his OBP is quite nice and guessing that is the reason for him being with our team. Glad we got a high upside lefty, we definitely are lacking in that department as well as Corner OF with Power and 3B propects, everything else we are pretty deep on.

Lyle said...

Anonymous,

And what you're saying is no different than saying this trade sucks.

It goes without saying we don't yet know the ultimate impact of these trades. That is true of every trade. Duh!!!

That said... we traded two players for four young players. That ain't nothing.

Anonymous said...

How is saying "that nobody will know for years" the same as saying it sucks? It means just what it says, no one will know.

And "two players for four young players" as a measure of trade is ridiculous. Blatantly ridiculous.

The average commenters proclaiming who won trades the day of the trade are so arrogant. Always acting like their knowledge of prospect value and club needs is greater than the people who do this for a living. Laughable.

Anonymous said...

I'm just going to pretend that we traded Norris for Oberholtzer.

Lyle said...

Anonymous,

Yes, there are some arrogant, know it all wannabe scouts. That's the main impression I get from most thoughtful Astros or baseball fans.

That said, the trading done yesterday looks pretty good, regardless of what I know about baseball.