Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Arnsberg and young arms

Stephen Goff's article on Arnsberg brings up some clues from his past as to why he was relieved.

Although Arnsberg was a vital part of the 2003 World Series championship team in Florida, Examiner.com learned that he got relieved of his duties following the team's successful year due to the organization not agreeing with the way he was developing the young arms.

This agrees with an interview Astros County conducted with Joanna from Hum and Chuck, a Blue Jays blog, in November 2009 - after Arnsberg had been hired by the Astros:

I probably don't pay enough attention to other teams, but there seemed to be an excessive amount of guys going under the knife and being generally injured. And not old, broken down guys. But I'm talking about kids. Off the top of my head, Shawn Marcum, BJ Ryan and Jesse Litsch had TJ under Arnsberg's watch. Dustin McGowan, who is insanely talented, has been injury plagued. He is diabetic, which contributes to his frailty. Ryan was released from the Jays after coming back from TJ as a shadow of his former self.

All of this might just be coincidence or just the guys, but it might also be conditioning. I can't find the data to back it up, but it seems a lot of guys were injured under his watch on the Marlins. I know for sure AJ had his Tommy John surgery in that time. So again, young guy breaking down.

Clues? We'll find out.


AstroBrit said...

Not sure If I buy this.

Speaking your mind is not a fireable offense, and I really don't think you can link a spate of injuries to what one pitching coach does. Overuse is often to blame, and pitchers do get injured a lot.

Still, its all interesting stuff.

Astros County said...

I'll agree with that - it's just as hard to project a hitting coach's influence as it is the effect of a pitching coach on injuries.

But who is the one over-using the pitcher?

conroestro said...

I don't buy the Arnsberg mishandling young pitchers thing either. While that could be the case in Florida and Toronto we will never know. The more likely cause for that was the known fact that younger pitchers are at a greater risk for injury before the age of 24 and that every team is careful with young arms. This is also why the Astros should be careful with Lyles (that means not sending him back out for the 7th after he's already thrown 100 pitchers - talking about you Mr. Mills.) That smart decision falls solely on our captain and not Arnsberg.

Andrew said...

McTaggert tweeted this:

Brad Arnsberg's dismissal had nothing to do with development of young pitchers. That's an uneducated guess for those thinking that. ~

Anonymous said...

... and yet McTaggart hasn't given us anything except "philosophical differences." Very strange.

Hal said...

"This is also why the Astros should be careful with Lyles (that means not sending him back out for the 7th after he's already thrown 100 pitchers - talking about you Mr. Mills.)"

Also not sending him back out for the 8th in his first ever major league start just because he hasn't yet reached 100 pitches(he should have left his Chicago start after the 7th).

AstroBrit said...

If anything I wonder if Arnsberg had told Mills he was over-using pitchers, which he has been doing. We saw Wandy racking up far too high pitching counts before his injury.

conroestro said...

I could very well see that being the case.